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Von Anonymer Feigling am Sunday 24. August, 17:34 MES (#1)
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Ev. hat Canopy das Routing unterbrochen, um den DDoS ins Leere laufen zu lassen.
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Von Anonymer Feigling am Sunday 24. August, 23:20 MES (#9)
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Das könnte man annehmen und so würde jeder Admin-Depp vorgehen, waere das nur nicht eine Kleinigkeit. Wenn ich wegen einer DDos-Attacke den Server abschalte, dann sende ich "ICMP Host Unreachable" ansonsten habe ich das Problem, dass die Anfragen immer noch bei mir ankommen und mir die Leitungen verstopfen. Ich könnte in diesem Fall die Anfragen einfach weiterleiten, denn so eine Vorgehensweise entlastet den Server nicht. Zum anderen sah man bei der angeblichen Attacke keinen Response-Anbruch beim Router und dieser sollte, sollte es eine DDos-Attacke geben, wenigstens ein wenig ins Schwitzen kommen. Wie auf anderer Stelle schon geschieben: Alles zeigt auf eine Panne bei SCO und nur die Wissen was passiert ist. Es fragt sich nur, wie es um deren Glaubwürdigkeit bestellt ist.
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... sondern auch die Muttergesllschaft von SCO. Auch Trolltech gehört übrigens zu Canopy. Als sich das rumgesprochen hat, sind bei Trolltech offenbar die Telefone heissgelaufen.
Jetzt ist mir auch klar, warum Caldera als erste einen QT basierten Installer in der Distribution hatten.
Wenn ich an das Theater mit der GPL-Lizenzierung von QT zurückdenke, weiss ich woher in der Canopy-Group der Wind weht. Offenbar liebt Canopy generell die GPL nicht sonderlich.
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Von Anonymer Feigling am Sunday 24. August, 20:06 MES (#3)
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4.1% von Trolltech gehören Canopy. Der Rest setzt sich wie folgt zusammen:
Employees 64.7%
Borland 8.3%
Trolltech Foundation 5.2%
Orkla ASA 4.3%
Northzone Ventures 4.3%
Teknoinvest 4.1%
Previous employees 3.4%
SCO Group 1.6%
Quelle:
http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/investors.html
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LOL, jetzt verstehe ich auch warum Canopy auf ihrer Website dutzende "Portfolio Companies" auflistet.
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Von Anonymer Feigling am Monday 25. August, 01:05 MES (#10)
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Du bist, wenn ich das mal so salop ausdrücken darf, ein A7h ...
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Von Anonymer Feigling am Sunday 24. August, 21:03 MES (#4)
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...ist nicht die Muttergesellschaft von Trolltech, sie besitzen gerade mal einen einstelligen Prozentsatz der Trolltech Aktien.
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Wuerde mich interessieren, den offenen Brief in voller Laenge zu lesen. Hat jemand einen Link zu diesem?
--
Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with none.
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von esr meinst du?
http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19
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Einen Link, nö. Aber dieser Brief ist heute morgen über seine Mailinliste gelaufen, betreff: "Let SCO hang itself":
The confrontation between SCO and the open-source community has now
escalated to open war. I suppose, in retrospect, that this was
inevitable once SCO announced its intention to sue on a theory
that would make all open-source licenses invalid. And we all know
who's lurking like Emperor Palpatine behind Darl Vader, funding his
lawsuit to the tune of at least $6,000,000[1] even if not otherwise
pulling his strings.
SCO/Caldera's site is being hit by a massive denial-of-service attack
today. The timing, the scuttlebutt on Slashdot and elsewhere, and the
contents of my mailbox all suggest strongly that the DOS attack was
triggered by Darl McBride's slanderous interview[2] accusing the
community of being IBM's sock puppets, and my response[3] to it.
It appears that my response articulated what many of us have been
feeling for months as SCO's public rantings grew ever wilder and more
destructive. McBride's personal accusations against me bother me very
little, but I am nevertheless honored and humbled by the heartfelt
support many of you have emailed. A good number of you seem to want
to elect me your war-leader in this crisis -- maybe it's time for me
to dust off that Obi-Wan Kenobi costume the SVLUG people made for me
to wear on the original Windows Refund Day :-). I will strive to be
worthy of your trust.
With whatever authority I have, I ask that the DOS attack cease immediately.
Please stand down *now*. We have better ways to win this fight.
There are at least three reasons running a denial-of-service against SCO
is a bad idea:
First: We're the good guys. But that doesn't matter if we aren't
*seen* to be the good guys. We cannot fight our war using vandalism
and trespass and the suppression of speech, or SCO will paint us as
crackers and maybe win. Let's keep the moral high ground here.
Second: We have other tools that are more powerful. We have an
astonishingly strong set of facts on our side. SCO has been caught in
multiple lies, wholesale IP violations, and defamatory statements. The
way to destroy them is with legal weapons. We can do that.
Third: SCO is its own worst enemy. Every time its spokespeople
open their mouths, they dig their company's grave a little deeper.
Consider their statements at SCOforum and what followed. We're
in an even stronger position than we were three days ago.
We *want* them raving in public. It helps us. Everything they say is
more rope to hang them with in a courtroom, but they're too trapped in
their own propaganda-based strategy to do the smart thing and shut up.
Their problem is that the moment they stop FUDding long enough for
people to get a clear-eyed look at the facts[4] their credibility will
evaporate and their stock price will crash hard. Even all the legions of
Microsoft's press shills, captive analysts, and astroturfers won't be
able to rescue them.
Stop the DOS attack. Let SCO speak out and hang itself.
Right now, the most helpful thing you can do is collect SCO's
published statements and show how they have repeatedly contradicted
themselves and lied about the facts. I've received some genuinely
useful stuff by email describing factual and legal vulnerabilities
that the research team[5] here at Alliance HQ didn't spot on its own --
papers like Greg Lehey's analysis[6] of the code SCO revealed at
SCOforum showing that they must have stripped BSD copyrights out of
their kernel tree. The reports indicating reason to believe that
there is probably GPLed code in Unixware's Linux Personality Module
were helpful too.
One of our big advantages over SCO is distributed brainpower. There
are a lot of us, and we have excellent Internet-research skills. Want
to strike a blow against SCO? Help convict them using their own
public statements, their own 10Ks and 10Qs, all the press coverage,
the material that's in their web and FTP sites. Collate. Assemble
dossiers. The facts are with us, so gather and use the facts. All
cheesy Star Wars references aside, this is info-war. Truth --
believable and provable truth -- is the weapon.
This is why sites like the IWeThey SCOvsIBM page[7] and
WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister[8] aren't just good clean fun; they're
valuable references to help lawyers demonstrate SCO's record of bad
faith, lies, and massive intellectual-property theft. Do more of
that; in particular. the IWeThey wiki badly needs updating and better
cross-references. These things will be used to defeat SCO -- and
sooner than you probably think.
I'm organizing a conference call early this coming week among a few
key leaders to decide on the next stage of our response. Have
patience. There is a plan developing, which I can't talk about
because the element of surprise is part of it. We will counterattack
at a time and place of our choosing and we will win.
Rebel Alliance provisional command, over and out... :-)
[1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/08/08/31OPcringely_1.html
[2] http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0825scoatta.html
[3] http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/mcbride.html
[4] http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html
[5] The research team: myself, Rob Landley, and Catherine Raymond, esq.
[6] http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html
[7] http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SCOvsIBM
[8] http://www.anerispress.com/wltsim/
-- Eric S. Raymond
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Inzwischen ist ein weiterer Offener Brief von ESR vor wenigen Stunden gekommen:
I have just received confirmation that there was indeed a DoS attack
on SCO's network, a rather sophisticated one organized by an
experienced Internet engineer. The person responsible has agreed to
terminate the attack in response to my earlier request[1], but it
will not actually end until the timers on his 'bots run out.
I don't actually know who the attacker is, and don't want to; the
person who phoned me was not him, but an associate -- what spies call
a cut-out. It is clear that the attacker was no script kiddie; he was
able to come up with a subtle, selective attack that only took out a
subset of sites on the subnet that hosts SCO and looked like a site
outage from the outside.
I had been hoping, and actually expecting, that the attacker would
turn out to be some adolescent cracker with no real connection to the
open-source community other than a willingness to stand down when one
of its leaders asked. But no; I was told enough about his background
and how he did it to be pretty sure he is one of us -- and I am
ashamed for all of us.
This attack was wrong, and it was dangerous to our goals. I realize
the provocation was extreme; since March SCO has threatened, grossly
insulted, and attacked our community and everything we've worked for.
I'm certainly not without sympathy for the person who did this.
Newvertheless...we must *never* make this mistake again, whether
against SCO or any other predator. When we use criminal means to
fight them, no matter what the provocation is, we bring ourselves down
to the level of the thieves and liars now running SCO. That is
unethical, and bad tactics to boot.
Public opinion matters, it even influences judges. We must do right,
and we must be *seen* to do right, in order to win against SCO and the
bigger, nastier foe pulling their strings. In an info-war like this,
truth is the most potent weapon, but a reputation for virtue and
honesty runs a close second. Don't be the one to throw ours away!
One more request. Please try to keep the conspiracy theorizing under
control, at least in public forums. Yes, SCO is behaving much like a
sock puppet of Microsoft now, but we have neither any evidence of
conspiracy prior to the lawsuit there nor any need to suppose it to
explain either company's behavior. Overheated speculation about how
long they've been plotting this just makes us look paranoid. Stick to
the facts; Microsoft, a convicted predatory monopolist, is funding a
lawsuit against its only serious competition to the tune of more than
six megabucks, and their money is the only real income SCO has.
That's quite enough without the speculation.
Rebel Alliance provisional command...uh...thanks you for your cooperation.
There will be further dispatches shortly. Keep watching the skies...
[1] http://lwn.net/Articles/46229/
-- Eric S. Raymond "The bearing of arms is the essential medium through which the individual asserts both his social power and his participation in politics as a responsible moral being..." -- J.G.A. Pocock, describing the beliefs of the founders of the U.S.
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Nehmt's mir nicht übel, aber mir kommt so langsam der Verdacht (mit diesem ominösen Anrufer, soll nach außen ausgesehen haben, als ob es ein Ausfall war, etc.), daß solch eine Aktion auch von SCO selbst kommen könnte. Um die OSS-Community noch weiter ankreiden zu können. Wie ESR ja schreibt, helfen solche Aktionen SCO vor Gericht. Und dieser ominöse Anrufer, naja, ob der nicht auch von SCO war? SCO trauen kann man ja schon lange nicht mehr. Und vor Selbstverstümmelung scheinen sie ja sowieso keine Angst zu haben.
(Sind nur so'n paar aufkommende Gedanken...)
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There is no place like $HOME.
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Von Anonymer Feigling am Monday 25. August, 18:00 MES (#15)
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ESR sollte sich endlich einmal in STFU üben. Er schadet der Community mehr, als es diese angebliche DoS-Attacke getan hätte, wenn er nicht so dumm gewesen wäre, ihren Ursprung publik zu machen.
ESR ist IMHO ein Egozentriker sondergleichen, der meint, er habe die Weltmoral für sich gepachtet und nur er wisse, wie man den Fall SCO behandeln müsse. Dabei stellt er sein Ego über alles (fühlt man sich nicht unglaublich mächtig, wenn ein angesehener Hacker, "einer von uns", auf Geheiss eine DoS-Attacke abbricht?) und überspielt, dass je mehr die Zentralisierungstendenzen bei Linux und Open Source zunehmen, desto verletzlicher diese Gemeinden werden.
STFU, ESR! Wir können auch selbst denken. Du hast schon genug auf Kosten aller dein Image poliert.
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BTW: Wo gibt's Infos zu dieser Mailingliste? Auf seiner Webseite und seinem Weblog konnte ich nix dazu finden und auch Google ergab auf Anhieb keinen Treffer...
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There is no place like $HOME.
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Schreibe an esr@snark.tyrsus.com und bitte, auf die Liste wire-service gesetzt zu werden. Das ist die Presseliste.
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